Yay! We have Rod Suskin back with us today and again Astrology part 2. I’d love to talk about more for sure. So, if you were to go and you’re first experience with astrology could often be, ‘Oh, I’m a Virgo. I’m a Pisces, this is me’. But it’s so much more than that. It is so much more than that and the idea of doing that was only invented in 1931 and astrology is 3 000 years old. But what’s interesting about that, originally in astrology the sun sign was used to talk about the soul and from the 18th century onwards people started believing less and less in the soul and by the time you got to the modern era people didn’t have any spiritual connection to themselves or to astrology. Now we have sun signs talk about the ego, ‘I’m this. I’m that. This is me’. Yes. I think it’s quite a good reflection of our culture. So that’s why most people find that there is truth in sun signs, but it’s far from the whole truth. Sun signs represents an essence in you that you will share with all other Virgos, other members of your same sign and there’s certain core issues (they’re not necessarily problems) but that all people of that sign will always be addressing so like Virgos, people always think Virgos are trying to address being perfect and that isn’t what they’re issue is. Virgos are always trying to be helpful, they’re always trying to find ways that they can be useful and helpful, but every Virgo is going to do it in a completely different way so much so that you might not even see the similarity. So astrologers concentrate also on the time and place that you were born. Because think about it the sky looks completely different every minute and if you go somewhere else it looks completely different. The first question would be: were you born in the Northern or the Southern hemisphere? Well, that’s one of the many ingredients because the sky turns upside-down in the Southern hemisphere. That in itself doesn’t have any special meaning in the end really only lets us orient ourselves and lets us see what’s where and where we’re related to everything else in the universe. Then we’re able to talk about you personally, so we use what’s called the rising sign or the ascending sign which has a lot more personal information about who you are. Please explain to me that just in as far as the stars are concerned. If you think about it when we watch the sun rise, it rises in the east, and the sun would be in a particular sign, if the sun was in Virgo or Aquarius or Pisces like it is now. When the sun rises in the east we can say, ‘there’s the sun rising in the east and there’s Pisces in the east’. So as the day goes by even when the sun moves on, one after the other one of the signs will rise in the east for a couple of hours, then the next one. So the one that rises at the time of your birth? Exactly. Right. And seen there, the one sitting in the east. Think about how all cultures look to the East for their inspiration, it’s the source of light. So as the source of light it’s what’s very important in astrology. Astrology is really all about light so much so that in Vedic astrology the word for astrology which is Jyotish means the science of light. In the West the idea of astrology was that consciousness as light descends from the infinite divine realm to the earthly realm through the movements of the planets. And we see moving lights and it’s the transmission of lights slowly down to earth. The moon is very bright so that has a very important, strong effect on us – and your moon sign is even more important than your sun sign. I was going to ask you. Because that you know is a very strong connection to its light and that shows how we respond and react to things and how we go through our everyday existence. The three basic things – really basic things – about astrology. It’s not just where your sun sign was (Virgo, Pisces or Gemini); but it’s where was your moon; and also what is your rising. Exactly. Can you just explain which part is your personality; and what you project to the world; and your soul. So your personality is the rising sign and the personality is what we use to exist in the world. So that’s where most people are wrong? About their signs, yes. So we put our personality in the world, we try to control it – a lot of it is already there by the time we’re conscious – but we control it, we control the way that we look like, we’ve got certain motivations, we act on the world. And so people see all of that and what they’re seeing is our rising sign. And not your sun sign? No, if you guess someone’s sign it’s probably their rising sign because you’ve seen it in the world. The moon is how they respond to the world so we also see that – someone bursts into tears at a moment’s notice or someone is very haughty and doesn’t seem to react and all of that comes from the moon. We share the same moon. We do, so do burst into tears at a moment’s notice. I know I have a Pisces moon and each one of my children have a Pisces moon so if there is an emotion in the house then everyone is crying. Exactly, but it’s helpful to understand because also in that case it helps us not to take ourselves too seriously. Right. And then the sun sign is an essence, it’s almost like only you and the people who know you really see that about you. And so when you meet someone that you start a relationship with you meet their rising sign and as you engage with them emotionally you’re seeing their moon sign. Eventually! Three years later, I believe. You see their sun sign and you think, ‘This isn’t the man I married’. But of course, it is. Yes. What can somebody expect when they go for a reading? Because I’m sure a lot of people now want to go and do their reading. Well the important thing is they need their birth time and the place that they were born. A lot of people don’t have the birth time or maybe need to do a little bit of research and so on to find out. But you ask for just in case if you think that they are on the cusp? Exactly. And if they don’t have a clear birth time I can help find out by asking about dates in their lives. And then the reading itself, the first time an astrologer will give you an overall perspective of your life like the mirror. Usually much more information than you’re expecting but it lets you see how you behave and how you respond. So it’s just like the mirror, once you see that you’ve got the power to make choices it’s easier said than done because our responses seem so built in. But you know, the human journey is about becoming more conscious. So the more conscious you become the more you can use your personality to help you – you can’t change your personality but you have the conscious power to choose about how you go about your life. So you’re talking about your nature and then your quiet nature? Exactly. Exactly that. So we call it your essential nature and your accidental nature. Okay. Accidental – it just happened by accident. And so you get to see very clearly how those work, what kind of patterns you tend to fall in to – so that you can try and not go down that road. We don’t necessarily going to change ourselves but because we’ve got consciousness we can say, ‘Well, I’m not going to go down that road even if I feel like it’. Right. And that’s how we avoid repeating our old mistakes. So the chart lets you see that very clearly and so it gives you a sense of, ‘Why do I do the things I do? Why does that kind of stuff happen to me?’ and also, ‘How do I accept myself better?’. You know, we get told we should do that and you must do that, and you’re a child, and you’ve got to get a job that earns money, and all these should-should-shoulds all the time. So people lose a sense of what comes naturally to them and what they like – astrology helps you remember that because it’s familiar, most things you’ve liked you’ve liked since you were a little child. So for example, you could have parents who will tell you, ‘You need to become a doctor. You need to earn so much money. This is what life’s about’. You know, this is what it needs to look like but inside you’re a completely free spirit, you don’t want to wear shoes you don’t want to comply to rules you want to rebel. So when you do a reading you might understand exactly why, because this is who you are but it’ll also guide you into potential career paths that suit your nature. That’s exactly the point. So while we’re able to say to that person, ‘Look none of the things that a doctor needs to be happy in the world exists in your chart. Least of all the talent for medicine which won’t be there ever to have the urge to be a doctor’. But as you say, by identifying who they are and connecting that to how they operate in the world it becomes easier for us to choose career paths. And the career path is never, ‘You should do this’. It’s more like, ‘These are the types of things that make you feel satisfied that make you feel like this is worth doing every day or it’s meaningful to you’. Because astrology’s point of view is not that it should make you money; astrology’s point of view is that if you true to who you are you will succeed the most. That’s just the bottom line. The only option is to be who you are – the better you understand that the better your choices will be and the more you’ll make the choices that actually suit your nature. For me this is an absolute tool for self-awareness. I’ve always thought it’s the most important tool because it’s so clear and scientific, it’s not based on what the astrologer thinks. And that’s why it was so important to the Ancient people who had a very clear sense that if someone claims to have a mysterious power how would you know? They could say anything and you were obliged to believe them. Correct. Astrology comes from a rigorous method, if you go to a different astrologer they’ll tell you more or less the same thing. So there’s such method in it that it’s a science, it’s not exactly the same type of the science that we use today. But it’s a science, an established body of knowledge that uses repeatable rigorous methods to get its results. I think when I started getting interested in astrology and numerology and anything else – I want to know all about it, now. And I found it impossible, it was impossible for me to do that with astrology because the more books I read the more confused I became and the more I knew what I didn’t know. Exactly. So that’s why you run a course? I do. It’s such a deep subject, thinking about the fact that it’s 3000 years old explains that. So the course I run, like most courses in the world, takes three years to complete. I know your students have been complaining to me about how difficult it is and how much homework they have. Absolutely. My attitude is that ever since the 17th century when it fell out of universities, in order for people to be responsible astrologers they must be educated astrologers. So you get a full university-style education in those three years, where it’s demanding, it moves quickly, builds on other knowledge like history and mathematics and science in the context of astrology so you don’t have to know things that are too different. And it’s challenging but it’s profoundly life-changing because it’s like learning a language and then suddenly understanding half the universe that you’ve never understood before. Right. So it really opens people up to a bigger perspective off the world when they study it. So it’s demanding and I know they all complain but they keep coming back for more. I know that too, absolutely. Just to finish off. We talked about what to expect when you go into a reading – so you know your birth date, time and place. And then in return, I will then draw the chart which is a really a map of the sky at the time that you were born. And based on those positions and interactions in the chart I can talk to you about the different aspects of your life, such as your professional life, your personal life and what kinds of patterns come up there, and what your most natural tendencies are. For example someone can say, ‘Will I have children?’. People ask direct questions all the time. Astrology won’t say yes or no it will give you the probability always – and so in many cases for most things if we know the probability we know what we can do to change it. Not everything is changeable. And one day we must talk about karma because that’s in the theory. I’d love to have you back to talk about karma and dharma. Because astrology deals with those things a lot. But the bottom line is in the reading itgives you a perspective of each different aspects of life and the various likelihoods on the one hand so that you know what to expect and on the other hand so that you can work on what you need to change. I’m going to have to have you back. I’ll be back. Thank you so much. It is fun. Thanks so much, Daleen.